Talk:Blood Ravens

The image seems a bit big to me, although i don't know how to make it smaller. Any help would be apreciated.--Jonru 20:50, 5 December 2005 (CET)

"Knowledge is Power. Guard it well" Sounds more like a thought for the day rather then a battlecry. Does anyone know where it is stated that the Blood Ravens use this as their battlecry? -Orky 11:00 PM, August 23rd 2006 (EST).

To date, I've only heard it in Dawn of War as one of the things the Librarian says. Don't think it's a battlecry.

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Is the statement about the Primarch official? I didn't find any official fluff regarding this character.

I think its a load of rubbish to be honest. I'm going to revert it.--Jonru 14:43, 10 October 2006 (CEST)

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I read in Blood Ravens Index Astartes found in WD305 that Gabriel Angelos is now the Chapter Master. I'll admit I've not read the dawn of war novels, so I cant speculate as to what happened after the game, or why he would have been promoted. I also have no idea who this Archarius Ravenholm is or where that information came from. Is Gabriel Angelos chapter master or not? --Dark Angel 2020 13:39, 27 December 2006 (CET) And I'd also very much like to see the source for that link to the Thousand Sons chapter... wasnt that up here before?--Dark Angel 2020 20:41, 29 December 2006 (CET) Yes it was. Just because they have powerful librarians, everyone seems to think they are descended from the Thousand Sons. I too haven't read the books, but I just don't believe GW would allow something as stupid as that to happen.--Jonru 20:48, 29 December 2006 (CET)

Notable Blood Ravens

I took the liberty to put the info on the respective Blood Ravens in seperate article on the characters themselves. This is done due to the fact that the article is now more like that of the other chapters... compare Ultramarines, Black Templars, Blood Angels, Crimson Fists... they all only link to the wiki articles on their notable marines. -- JoeneB, 30 January 2007, 17:19 (CET)

Thousand Sons Splinter Sect Theorem

What about details suggesting that the Blood Ravens may have been a chapter that splintered in a schism from the Thousand Sons? The theory is quite popular considering the vast number of psykers in the chapter, coupled with the events in the third book in the Blood Ravens Omnibus which hint powerful speculations thanks to words Ahriman spoke to the main character. I admit it is only a theory, but given events in the latter Dawn of War series (which cause suspicion of the Blood Raven's heretical status) and the fact that the Primarch is unknown add strong credit to the speculation. --Lygris 15:17, 10 September 2008 (CEST)

- As much as we'd love to chat about this, this isn't a discussion forum. Nikolas

- The possibility should still be noted as it is not just a possible link but rather a probable one. The author clearly states that there are plenty of clues in the books as to the identity if the parent chapter and there are an awful lot of clues pointing to the thousand sons. Im not saying you ahould have a full blown argument or disuccion but:

"The Blood Ravens do not know of their founding because all records were lost early on in their history the call their unknown founder the 'Unknown Primarch'"

Its just lazy, sloppy.

No. If there is an official GW source stating explicitly that possibility but not before. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 07:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Some sources I have heard have said that the Horus Heresy novel A Thousand Sons confirms the Blood Ravens as descendent to the Thousand Sons. Since I haven't read the book myself, I cannot confirm this, so if anybody has read the book, can you confirm this rumor? It could bring some more light into the issue at hand. --Kulsprutejojjo 11:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Not necessarily a confirmation, but a very big hint towards it... See A Thousand Sons by Graham McNeill page 430 line 14 onwards - 'It's too late... the Wolf is at the door and it hungers for blood. Oh, Throne... no, the blood! The Ravens, I see them too. The lost sons and a Raven of blood. They cry out for salvation and knowledge, but it is denied!' Orric

Perspective

Should we change the persepective in which this article is written? It seems to hint at that there is no real storyline continuum between the games and the plot. Maybe we should confirm what seems to be true, what's false, and write it as an actual history history of the Blood Ravens. Abaddon plays Starcraft...we all know that. 23:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, the perspective should be as nuetral as possible, citing the inconsistancy between the novels and the game should be noted, but not hammered on so much. But if you just presented the chapter as it is written and told via the game there is not a lot of inconsistancies to be noted. Also whoever changed the founding back to the unknown primarch instead of the thousand sons idea thank you!

Update

I just finished Dawn of War 2. This section is in need of a clean up. I'll be working on it slowly next week. --Lygris 18:50, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry, I mean DoW2, Chaos Rising.

Blood Ravens on Lorn V

There is a small mistake present in this page. Under Notable battles it states 'Assault on Lorn V (Dawn of War: Winter Assault)'. This is in fact incorrect for it was the Ultramarines who were present in that battle and not the Blood Ravens.

Unless I am mistaken, this should be rectified. --Arius Daemonis 23:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Need confirmation or prove. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 23:57, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Alright, well if you haven't played Winter Assault doing so would prove my point. However, would these You Tube videos of cut scenes from the game suffice? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgeVH5wOS7Q - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKIAMAqGNIY If not, tell me what kinds of sources I need to acquire and I will, as it is blatantly truth. --Arius Daemonis 13:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Iirc, the account about the Blood Ravens on Lorn V was from the Dawn of War novel "Ascension". It differs a lot from the game, most notably in that it features the factions from the original game. --Digganob 14:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

If it is in Ascension, I can check that at some point. But anyway: do we have a confirmation we are talking about the same conflict here? Maybe it was two different assaults on Lorn V? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 22:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

The conflict I am talking about is the one where General Sturnn leads his Guardsmen to recover the Titan Dominatus. In this campaign, in the game Winter Assault, the Ultramarines are present, not the Blood Ravens. Really, it is down to what we are taking as canon here. I think the more reliable source is Winter Assault, the game, as it comes directly from Relic, the creators of the Blood Ravens. However, if the novel Ascension speaks of another battle on the same planet, some specification is required. --Arius Daemonis 22:54, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I've read Ascension a while back. If I recall correctly, the story went that the Ultramarines who sided with the Cadians were actually Chaos Marines in disguise, and betrayed them I think AFTER the battle. Gabriel Angelos descended and spoke with Sturnn who absolutely distrusted the Blood Ravens because he couldn't tell who to trust. Let me look it up later.--Lygris 20:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Here we go. In the book Tempest on page 53 on is a break down of what happened. --Lygris 21:18, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Secret Masters

The note on the secret master only being from the dawn of war 2 book are incorrect. The index Astartes article on the blood ravens mentions them multiple time: "The higher echelons of command within the Blood Ravens reflect the high proportion of psykers too and many of the Secret Masters of the Chapter are themselves psykers, leading powerful units of warriors chosen from the Librarium itself." They also insisted that Azariah Vidya take the mantle of Chapter Master. I believe this shows that the blood ravens use a chapter master as both a figure head and leader, but also has a governing body of secret masters as a form of checks and balances. Which one has the most power is still unknown though. --Mizzrim 04:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)