*Please check the history of this page to see previous discussion on the subject.
Thanks--[[User:Mob|Mob]] 14:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
== Editing the article==
I agree to this. Azariah Kyras is no longer the chapter master Gabriel Angelos is now and should be changed to that. --[[User:XeroNecross|XeroNecross-The Warmaster]] 2:00PM EST March 20 2011
:You can do it now, as long as you cite it correctly. We have to keep a close eye on this page as people like to come along and insert fan-fluff all over the place, so please make sure if you are adding things they are entered according to Lexicanum procedure...as they'll just be removed if not. Thanks!--[[User:Mob|Mob]] 00:16, 21 March 2011 (CET)
== Editing the article==
If possible, please add a Relics section to this article. 4 of these are already present, I can add Stubs for the other 3
====Relics====
*[[Alexian's Blade]]<sup>3a</sup>
*[[Azariah's Cincture]]<sup>3a</sup>
*[[Daemonhammer]]<sup>3a</sup>
*[[Gauntlets]]<sup>3a</sup>
*[[Greaves]]<sup>3a</sup>
*[[Iron Halo]]<sup>3a</sup>
*[[Pauldrons]]<sup>3a</sup>
**<sup>a</sup>: Commander screen; Wargear section
:The hell I'm gonna do that. Do it yourself! :-) (Learning by doing. It's not nice, but it works.) --[[User:DetlefK|DetlefK]] 21:43, 17 March 2011 (CET)
:Yes hell you or the Inquisition gonna do that. :-) The page has been locked off from future editing, thus I cannot do it. (Learning by doing. It's not nice, but its fun.) --[[User:Huraganus|Huraganus]] 09:25, 18 March 2011 (EDT) - Sydney Australia
=Standard Template=
I am kind of surprised that common topic pages such as a main article for a Space Marine Chapter page do not have a standard template. Every page I look at has a different set of titles, sections and subsections. I believe we need the authority of the Inquisition to lay down the law.
;''Suggested format:''
;Chapter:
;- Brief description
;Basic Information:
;- Picture and armor color scheme, etc.
;Background (main section heading):
;- Home world
;- History
;- Notable Battles/recent activities
;- Organisation
;Chapter composition:
;- Relics
;- Chapter members (current and diseased)
;- Fleet composition/ship names
;Sources
This is just a boilerplate. I imagine there should be other standard sub-sections that I haven’t named.
:Look at [[Imperial Fists]], [[Thousand Sons]] and [[Night Lords]]. That's the template to follow. Thanks.--[[User:Mob|Mob]] 20:44, 21 March 2011 (CET)
:Although it just occurred to me you wouldn't be posting that here if you didn't mean to do the BR...so you'll want to look at pages like [[Lamenters]] and [[Sons of Medusa]] for the Chapter article template. Successor chapters are to be written up slightly differently to those of the First Founding. Thanks.--[[User:Mob|Mob]] 02:34, 22 March 2011 (CET)
::There is some noticeable deviation between the templates for [[Imperial Fists]], [[Thousand Sons]] and [[Night Lords]]. The ''Basic Information'' sections are different sizes. The subheadings may be listed as ''Recent'' or ''Known'' engagements. If I may suggest to change those to ''Recorded'' engagements for congruancy. There is a heading called ''Relics'' on some pages and ''Artifacts'' on another. Relics is more appropriate a definition, as Artifact is something made by '''Man''' and we may be listing objects not made by man. Lastly the ''Characters'' heading may be changed to ''Chapter Members'' or simply ''Members'' in keeping that this article represents a historical record. '''My2Cents''' --[[User:Huraganus|Huraganus]] 09:55, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
:::Sure. There are different basic info templates for loyalists, chaos and later foundings (due to the different info required), which result in different sizes, as can the size of the image inserted. You can change the image size no probs, but anything else requires altering the template; post on the talk pages for those with any suggestions you have. Relics is for loyalists, Artifacts for Chaos - this is terminology from the fluff. Chapter Members is not useful as characters in the first founders are often from when the Chapter was a Legion. However, Notable Members of Insert Name Here is something I personally would not object to if you don't like Characters. Thanks!--[[User:Mob|Mob]] 00:36, 24 March 2011 (CET)
::::Terrific, a pattern is forming :) --[[User:Huraganus|Huraganus]] 09:45, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::Oh, I skipped one. Recorded Engagements is fine-ish...but the reason we went for Recent and Known is because we either tend to have ''lots'' of detail (Loyalists) or not much (Chaos). So it was decided to use Recent for loyalists and Known for Chaos. The reasoning for this is that if we listed every date given for loyalist legions it would be mega-long, and so sticking to M41 for detail was decided upon. But I'm up for trying out Recorded if you want, we'll just see how unwieldy the section gets? For Chapters we just went for Founding, Recent Years and Organisation as headings rather than go into the detail the First Founders deserve (and have!). Cheers.--[[User:Mob|Mob]] 01:24, 25 March 2011 (CET)
::::::Great to see there is logical thinking behind this. Would it not be prudent to form a linked yet separate page for ''Recorded Engagements’’? This way the main article could remain relatively "edit free" once it has been documented properly, while the Imperium and Heretic/Xenos fight out for notations on the other page.
::::::Regarding Successor Chapter: I imagine the faithful would eventually want to see a (Recorded Engagements, Geneseed, Culture, Recruitment and Noted Elements of) sections. --[[User:Huraganus|Huraganus]] 13:55, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Ok, so we should do a 'see main' link for Recorded Engagements if needed and have a separate page. I'm up for that. Noted elements of Successors is something we should do, the other bits can be kind of scant; we decided they could fit into Organisation. What I would recommend now is that you pick a Chapter you're interested in and have lots of sources about and rewrite it to fit this format, see if it works. If you redlink stuff it's kinda expected that you intend to create that article, but no-one's going to object too much considering there's like only about a half-dozen regular contributors here at any one time and you can't do everything! Or just go for a Legion, whatever, a bunch of them need serious work. Rewriting them is a bitch though (I'm still not finished with 1KSons and I've been at it for aaaaages) so go for something you're into. Or we could collaborate on Blood Ravens seeing as we're here? This article is a fricking mess. Cheers.--[[User:Mob|Mob]] 04:34, 25 March 2011 (CET)
::::::::Just to be clear; the template for Founding Chapters will include a link to a separate page that will list their engagements. This will mean moving current records (and related reference entries) onto a new page. Furthermore, the page(s) will need a title format. Chapter_Name Engagement List or List of Engagements for Chapter_Name (or some other variant); this I leave in your capable hands.
::::::::Once the framework is ironed out, I'd be happy to systematically beat all the square pegs into the round holes :) --[[User:Huraganus|Huraganus]] 16:35, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
;First Founding Chapter Name
;Basic Information
;Homeworld
;History
;-Great Crusade
;--Formation
;-Combat disposition and record
;-The Horus Heresy
;-Horus Heresy Aftermath
;-List of Engagements - Seperate Page with link to 'main page'(Named?)
;Geneseed
;Culture
;Recruitment
;Noted Elements of
;-Relics/Artifacts
;-Vessels
;-Notable Members of
;Additional Information
;-Related Articles, Trivia, Example of force, etc.
;Sources
and
;Successor Chapter Name
;Basic Information
;History
;-Founding
;-Recent Years
;Organisation
;Noted Elements of
;-Relics/Artifacts
;-Vessels
;-Notable Members of
;Additional Information
;Sources
== Battles ==
