Talk:Two unknown legions

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Fabius Bile: Clonelord

Removed "This information refers to the Second Primarch, because he was found and was active in the earliest stages of Great Crusade, rather than the Eleventh Primarch, who was found in much later stages." sourcing the Palatine Phoenix as justification.

We don't know when in the crusade the Palatine Phoenix is set. Its sometime between Fulgrim's arrival 835-840.M30 and probably 970.M30 where the ECs seem to have left the LWs before the Zaramund rebellion. But the entire crusade lasts 798.M30 to 006.M31, so we have no way of saying this is 'early'.

And just because the 2nd Primarch is active by the Palatine Phoenix, doesn't mean the 11th isn't as well at that time, or that the 11th was discovered in "much later stages".Phunting (talk) 05:42, 1 April 2018 (MDT)

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What does "was mistakenly replaced" mean? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 04:38, 4 May 2018 (MDT)

Which ever member of the Administratum was responsible for printing this copy of the Uplifting Primer accidentally included the wrong information.--TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 07:36, 4 May 2018 (MDT)

Maybe that should be made a little bit clearer. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 11:23, 4 May 2018 (MDT)

The Passing of Angels

1.) A radius of 5km around a planet does not seem very big. Is that correct? - Sorry, I meant 5 km of radius from the epicenter of the blast. 2.) I do not necessarily see much of a hint to the Lost Legions here? I mean it is an interesting story, but not all Damnatio memoriae is an exclusive domain of what happened (or not) to the Lost Legions? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum

- Well, if you consider that also the population was disbanded and that's hinted the same happened to the two lost legions... Above all, the point is the reason of it all. The use of a single gravity bomb. I think this might suggest the two lost primarchs probably meddled with stuff from the Old Night as well. (talk) 09:43, 11 March 2019 (MDT)

Not necessarily. Armageddon for example was basically repopulated after the First War for Armageddon just to make sure knowledge about Chaos would not spread - and the whole thing was quite on a big scale (-> First_War_for_Armageddon#The_Final_Twist) and I would never have the idea of referencing this as an idea of what happened to the Lost Legions. In my opinion if it is not specifically about Space Marines it is very hard to draw parallels. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 12:44, 11 March 2019 (MDT)

Got it :) well, while reading about it I thought it was interesting to see how the use of a single Old Night device had such consequences and I found parallelisms with the mystery of the two legions. But if you feel like I saw too much in it, feel free to delete the entry, no problem ;) (talk) 13:17, 11 March 2019 (MDT)

I am always trying not to destroy something that people have invested work in. Your text is, as I said before, interesting. But I have just read the other items mentioned in this article and this has confirmed my initial assumption, that all others do explicitly refer to either primarchs or legions/ Space Marines. So I want to move your text somewhere else, where it would fit better. I just don't know where yet, so I am open to suggestions. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 13:22, 11 March 2019 (MDT)

How about here? Edict of Obliteration (talk) 13:26, 11 March 2019 (MDT)

I will "park" it here for the time being. Since probably no official edict was issued and the High Lords were not involved we can't put it there. I have found the short story in my shelf and will read it to make up my mind. Presumably something like an article about non-imperial human civilizations. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 13:37, 11 March 2019 (MDT) ===The Passing of Angels=== In [[The Passing of Angels (Short Story)]], [[Sanguinius]] is tasked to destroy a civilization and condemn it to oblivion. The reason for such a large scale act of censorship was the use of an ancient weapon from the [[Old Night]]. This sort of gravity mine completely erased a bubble of existence in a radius of 5 km from the planet, swallowing all civilians and soldiers in it. The [[Emperor]]’s retaliation for the employment of weapons from the Old Night was absolute. The [[Blood Angels]] were tasked to wipe out the culture of this human civilization (whose name is censored as "H____" throughout the whole story), its name forgotten and never mentioned again. Moreover the surviving inhabitants were split and sent to other planets, while their home-planet was given to other colonists. This course of actions and destiny seems to echo what happened to the two unknown legions.{{Fn|42}}

Hell in a bottle

Where does the author / GW clarification come from? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 02:21, 24 March 2019 (MDT) Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 02:21, 24 March 2019 (MDT)

NOTE: I WILL delete that paragraph if I do not get an answer. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 03:18, 26 March 2019 (MDT)

Quarantined: "

==Notes==
The short story "Hell in a Bottle" by Simon Jowett states that the primarch of the [[Iron Hearts]] Astartes chapter to be named "Rubinek". The author has since stated that he had confused what a primarch and what a chapter master is, and that Rubinek was their chapter master, not their primarch. Games Workshop has confirmed that Rubinek is not one of the lost primarchs.{{Fn|X}}{{Fn|Y}}
* {{Endn|X}}: [[Into the Maelstrom (Anthology)]] pg. 204- ''[[Hell in a Bottle (Short Story)]]'' by [[Simon Jowett]].
* {{Endn|Y}}: [[Let the Galaxy Burn (Anthology)]] pg. 243- ''[[Hell in a Bottle (Short Story)]]'' by [[Simon Jowett]].

</pre> --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 04:27, 31 March 2019 (MDT)

Before or after the Horus Heresy

The article currently states "There are conflicting reports as to whether the two unknown Legions met their fate prior to or after the Horus Heresy and which side they joined in the Heresy, if they participated in it.[5][9]". With those sources being to entire novels, so not exactly useful ones.

From a little asking around, it seems like the timeline used to be "mostly mysterious, but hints that they might be traitor legions during the HH", which has been entirely retconned to "still mostly mysterious, but very clearly happened before the HH".

While I don't have the right sources at hand to really confirm this, it seems possible that the part of the article I quoted is quite misleading. A retcon is not "conflicting reports", surely? If newer source materials still have accounts of the legions disappearing possible happening during or after the HH, that would be great to know though. TobiasHK (talk) 17:23, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

A retcon is "conflicting sources", yes. Corresponding explanatory notes should go into a Trivia section as usual in these cases. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 19:12, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Daenyathos

It has been a very long time I read it... But didn't Daenyathos in the end turn out to be corrupted by Tzeentch? If confirmed that is a much more likely source for his knowledge about the lost primarchs, no? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2021 (UTC)