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From the Horus heresy books, we can reconstruct the following: Fulgrim makes Forgebreaker, gives it to Ferrus Manus, Fulgrim betrays Ferrus and steals the hammer from him, then daemon-possessed Fulgrim gives the hammer to Horus at the end of the dropsite massacre. Hence, Horus only had it after the dropsite, that is after the events on Olympia. Thus, he could not have given it to Perturabo before the Olympia events. It is likely that thus Horus only gave the hammer to Perturabo after the genocide on Olympia and the dropsite massacre, not to secure his loyalty but to reward his betrayal. Also, I find the story about the weapon having been corrupted by Chaos weird, seeing that the Forgebreaker article states it is "one of the most prized artifacts of the Horus Heresy": from an imperial POV, it means it can't be Chaos-infused. --[[User:Arthfael|Arthfael]] 19:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)