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Later in the novel, Leman Russ talks with [[Kva]] about the [[Emperor]] discovering the Primarchs. When he talks of the discovery of the "third brother" the dialog suddenly cuts off due to [[Warp]] interference. When the conversation is seen resuming Leman Russ calls the tale a tragic one. He then notes that [[Ferrus Manus]] was then found next, followed by the rest.{{Fn|47b}} As the Primarch rediscovery timeline apparently confirms that the other lost Primarch was found nineteenth (along with backing up Russ' claim that one was found third), and the Second Primarch is noted as one of the first eight found in [[Fulgrim: The Palatine Phoenix (Novel)|Fulgrim: The Palatine Phoenix]], it can be concluded that Russ is referring to the Second.{{Fn|36}}{{Fn|57}}

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