Talk:Harlequin Dreadnought
It seems like the Harlequin Dreadnought and Harlequin Wraithlord are meant to be two different Wraith-constructs and not the same one. The Citadel Journal 19 states that the Dreadnought has psychic abilities and a Harlequin Psycannon, while the Wraithlord does not have those abilities or weapon in The Citadel Journal 44. It would be like how a Librarian Dreadnought and a Furioso Dreadnought are meant to be different variants of a Space Marine Dreadnought.
I also don't see any mention of a Harlequin Wraithguard in The Citadel Journal 44. The only reference I see is, "When a hero falls among the Harlequins it is mourned by all within the Masque, and they carry their dead comrades bodies into the webway. Why and where to nobody knows. Sometimes a fallen hero can be brought back to the Masque as a Wraithlord, in just the same fashion as an Eldar Hero can be brought back as a Wraithguard or Wraithlord. However the Harlequin Wraithlords are still very much Harlequins." Dram (talk) 18:46, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
- I completely disagree on singular and clear grounds: the Harlequin Wraithlord uses the same model as the Harlequin Dreadnought. Rasmussen had clear intentions to update nomenclature in The Citadel Journal 44, Master Mimes simmilarly disappear from the text and become Mimics, and more importantly Codex: Eldar (3rd Edition) was the first such edition wherein Eldar Dreadnoughts would be renamed to "Wraithlord"; ergo Rasmussen was following suit with contemporary naming schemes.
- I will point out as well that weapons do change between editions. There were many weapons available to Harlequins in their White Dwarf 105 (UK) and White Dwarf 106 (UK) appearances that were not made available in later rules for the same models. Furthermore, the rules in The Citadel Journal 19 wherin a Harlequin Dreadnought may become a psyker are written as an optional upgrade: not every Harlequin Dreadnought had access to Force Psyker Power cards, a Dreadnought can be lacking in Psyker abilities and still be a Dreadnought (this is in line with contemporary Wraith unit depictions, whereby not every Wraithlord is a Wraithseer). I think this whole line of questioning is secondary, however, as the primary evidence remains: the two rules share the same model.
- I will remove the section on Wraithguard. I was reticent to include it in the first place, it was a logical extension from the quoted sentence and was a mistake. Zap1000x (talk) 19:36, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
Harlequin Dreadnought in The Citadel Journal 17
Harlequin Wraithlord in The Citadel Journal 44
- For completeness, I've uploaded the original image from The Citadel Journal 17 to the main article. I am also including both here as a visual aid for this discussion. Zap1000x (talk) 20:12, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
