Talk:Tyranid

Quarantined content

Is it still necessary to keep this in quarantaine? The related information has been corrected to citing the 4th Edition codex on the main page -Spleenstealer (talk) 13:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The procedure is that the person who adds previously quarantined content back (with the necessary sources obviously) is the person that also removes said content from quarantine. If that doesn't happen the system doesn't work, obviously. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

No, you just misunderstood. The whole paragraph was added here as 'quarantine' just because the 'Stark report' wasn't cited according to the rules. Th paragraph itself - 'An Imperial research (...) of the Segmentums Solar, Obscurus, and Tempestus' is counted as 'cited properly', that's why it *is* in the article itself. We put the full paragraph here so that the line of thought were consistent and there are fewer misunderstandings. Though may be we fail in this case and misunderstanding only intensified...--Darkelf77 (talk) 06:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Right then, so does that mean we can just eliminate the citation? I get what you mean but since it's been made redundant I don't necessarily see the need to keep this around. (Spleenstealer (talk) 12:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC))

We can, but it will be better if it remains entirely in the form in which it was preserved from the moment the Editor entered this data. Perhaps confirmation about this 'Stark Report' will someday be found by someone else in this or other sources, and then this paragraph can be returned. This is so named 'artefacts of the old'.--Darkelf77 (talk) 09:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so the thing about the "Stark Report" is that it is verifiably a real thing, it just isn't called that anywhere except here and places informed by here. I have the third and fourth edition tyranid codices in front of me right now, and the thing that is referred to as said "Stark Report", which as i said in my initial mesaage, is not in the third edition codex but instead in the fourth edition codex, on page 26, it is called nothing of the sort anywhere on it, and instead is called the "Strategic Extrapolation, Updated Threat Evaluation and Preliminary Results of Remote Prognostication Studies into the Ongoing Threat Posed by the Tyranid Hive Fleets". At the top of that page it refers to a different report by the same organization which is included in the 3rd edition Tyranid codex, page 41, but contains none of the information this removed section claims the "Stark Report" contains. So I don't really understand what is being asked for here, if we're supposed to find the report being referred to, it's found, it's in a different Codex, and if we're trying to find that same information in the codex they claim it's in, this is going to be forever unresolved because this information just isn't in the third edition codex. Forgive my frustration but I don't understand what the threshold for satisfactory deletion of this quarantine is.-Spleenstealer (talk) 20:32, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your problem is? The "Stark Report" isn't a noun, it's an adjective describing their findings as stark ("severe or bare in appearance or outline"). It's on page 27 of the 4th Edition Tyranids Codex. There's nothing to else to discuss here. Harriticus (talk) 20:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Can I please have a screenshot of the relevant part of 4th ed codex Tyranids here, thank you. I find it hard to follow the discussion here. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 10:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

these are the pages Harriticus (talk) 23:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

So as far as I can find, "The Stark Report" was part of the original copy in the Strategic Collective page, back in 2008. There, "Stark Report" is most definitely a proper noun, but no source other than the 3rd edition Tyranid Codex is provided. The correct source appears to be the 4th edition codex pages that Harriticus linked above, though no where is it identified as the "Stark Report". This sat unquestioned for 14 years until today when I removed it. Here on the Tyranid page, "The Stark Report" in the 3rd edition Codex was cited as a source, but as there was no reference to any such thing in that book, it's been the source of some confusion.

Regardless, things have been cleared up now, and the reports are properly cited sans the erroneous moniker.--Mikaka (talk) 00:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

So summarized: The word "s/Stark report" is nowhere to be found, somebody inserted made-up info into an article 14 years ago, it was discovered and has been removed, case closed. That about right? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 09:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

That's my understanding. I'm willing to suppose that the phrase does appear somewhere I haven't looked, but its certainly not in the places it was cited to be. If anyone finds it, I'd love to know, but the betting odds are it was made up by that user in 2008.--Mikaka (talk) 16:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I think that due diligence was more than exercised. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 16:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Amazing, thank you Mikaka, you put it a lot better than I was able to, this was my main problem and was failing to properly convey it, sorry for the prolonged discussion. --Spleenstealer (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Rogue Trader's Stance on Hive Fleet Reproduction

I have a copy of the rogue trader rulebook here, and it's structure on the Hivefleet is a bit different than the structure in the 4th edition codex, particularly to the importance of Hive Tyrants. The Hive tyrant page notes this, but I think it's important enough to be noted on the main page. Pikez33 05:00, 27 October 2008 (CET)

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How many Tyranic wars has there been? I have heard something about 3 and i believe also that the first encounter is also being referred to as the first tyranic war

I'm not sure how many Tyrannic Wars there have been, but there are at least two: the First was the Battle for Macragge, and the Second was Ichar IV (in 997.M41). Apparently, during that time, Espandor (in Ultramar) was destroyed, so I'll have to change that in the Ultramar article. If there is a third Tyrannic War, I'm not sure what it would be (maybe the war in Warriors of Ultramar?) --Avenging Dentist 23:46, 23 Jun 2005 (CEST)

I think probably only two tyrranic wars, but there have been at least three major hive fleets enter Imperial space, Behemoth, Kraken and Leviathan. Also, Hive Fleet Perseus drifted into and then out of human space.--Jonru 00:04, 14 Sep 2005 (CEST)

There have been three two over the Macragge system and Ichar IV. there have been only 4 confirmed hive fleets, but plenty of splinter fleets have covered the galaxy.

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The structure of the Tyranid German wiki site is as follows. I think this is a good template for us. Thoughts?

1 Origin and background
2 The swarm
2.1 Species of the Tyranid
2.2 Swarm consciousness
2.3 Synapse creatures
2.4 Swarm fleets
3 Military procedure
3.1 Investigation
3.2 Attack
3.3 Absorption
4 Technology
5 Other articles
6 Web links

--Jonru 20:56, 30 January 2006 (CET)

what about a section on special characters (ie. old one eye and red terror)?

--Ripper 21:27, 18 August 2006 (CEST)

has anyone heard of a malefactor it's an old model i don't know much other than it worked as an APC and wasn't vary popular

Yes i've heard of it, it exists in the german wiki at: [1]. It might not work as it links through Google translate but it is there.--Jonru 20:09, 18 September 2006 (CEST)

Does the sentance 'Tyran had been destroyed by the alien menace it had watched for for so long' not seem slightly incorrect, would it not be better to rephrase it so there isnt the 'for for' bit of it? It's gramatically correct but I agree, a bit on the silly side. I'll try and re-write it.--Jonru 20:45, 7 January 2007 (CET)

Actually I take that back. 1 i can't think of any way to change it and two it does make sense, just required you to use your brain--Jonru 20:54, 7 January 2007 (CET)

Some suggestions

The german translations are bad (swarm instead of hive). I wrote some work at the Wikipedia version, and then divided up the different individual species by their genus (i.e. the Warrior, the Gaunt, and the Genestealer, and then made a page for Titans). If no one minds too much, I would like to take a crack at this. :) SanchiTachi 19:40, 31 May 2007 (CEST)

I think the Lexicanum is such a small project that any help anywhere is valuable. We have so few regular contributors that we can't really set up projects as there are too few of us, something which Wikipedia has no problem with I suspect :P Anything you can do is great, thanks --Jonru 20:59, 31 May 2007 (CEST)``

There were actually less people at Wikipedia. Most of this stuff is research that I wrote for my own gaming reference which was easy to refer to later. The Wikipedia pages are updated with about 80 hours worth of straight wikifying my research and putting it up. I was originally going to design a better version of Xenology but I realized that it probably wouldn't be the effort. I also live near the Glen Burnie headquarters so I can get all sorts of fun stuff. SanchiTachi 03:19, 1 June 2007 (CEST)

There was 3 majer hive feets. Other hive feets have been pussed into the back ground

Are all the Fleets based on myth creatures? --WUTZ A HIVE? 22:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, most have names of creatures from mythology, some don't. See also List of Hive Fleets --DetlefK 12:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Hive Fleet movement

what about tyranid's way of interstellar travel, which is without any doubt faster than light? are any articles or sources that define this?

Yea, the 5th ed codex has information on how they do this. It's through the use of a Narvhal bio-ship. I just wrote the article on it. -- Icaterus 07:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Consuming a "thousand galaxies" statement

Can anyone verify this statement's citation (citation footnote 3)? It seems rather strange, especially since the 5th edition codex is deliberately ambigious as to what the Tyranids were up to before they came to our galaxy -- Harriticus

Just checked and the info is in that issue, the exact text is "Such has been the fate of a thousands of galaxies, of millions of intelligent species, since time immemorial". However this is the same article that says that the squigs were created by the Tyranids (though it fails to mention how squigs then managed to become a key element of the entire Ork eco-system across the whole galaxy in the space of a couple of hundred years.) The article also includes other ret-conned beasties like Zoats, so I have no idea whether any of the info in this article would be considered current canon or not. Thelemur 21:13, 7 December 2011 (CET)

I see, thanks for that. That is a bit of a pickle because there's nothing against using very old canon to my knowledge and lots of articles do it. An "origins" section of the article stating that information as well as the current Codex's statement that they could be running from an even worse race and it's unclear how long they've been consuming worlds might work. --Harriticus

Had a look at the 2nd + 3rd edition codexes, and they dont seem have any background info before Behemoth, so no help there. Old canon materials are usually kept in unless they are contradicted my later sources (or sometimes marked as being of unknown canon status if the seem to be outdated, but aren't specifically contradicted).

I dont have any Tyranid codexes after the 3rd edition, so I have no idea what more up to date books say. If you want to make an origins section I'd be happy to type up the relevant bits from WD 145 here, or scan them and upload them as temporary files if that would help. Thelemur 01:28, 8 December 2011 (CET)