Talk:Horus Heresy
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Contents
- 1 Preliminary causes
- 2 Horus's Corruption
- 3 Final Phase (010-014.M31)
- 4 The Muster on Ullanor and Lorgar's coup (013.M31)=
- 5 Aftermath
- 6 The Rebellion Spreads
- 6.1 Wars For Paramar (006-011.M31[39])
- 6.2 The Siege of Cthonia (006-014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 6.3 Manachean War (006-008.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 6.4 Battle of PhallUNSOURCED DATE
- 6.5 Battle of the Alaxxes NebulaUNSOURCED DATE
- 6.6 First Siege of Hydra Cordatus (~007.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 6.7 Furious Abyss and Battle of Calth (007.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 6.8 Thramas Crusade (007-010.M31)[39]
- 6.9 Shadow Crusade and Crusade of Iron (007-009.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7 The Khan's Decision (007.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.1 Capture of the Perfect Fortress (008.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.2 Mezoan Campaign (008.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.3 The Siege of Baal (008-013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.4 The Battle of Vanaheim (008-009.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.5 The Breaking of Anvillus (009.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.6 Battle of Molech (009.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.7 The Formation of Imperium Secundus (009-011.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.8 The Siege of Inwit (009-013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.9 The Battle of Tallarn (010-012.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.10 Nocturne and the Journey of Vulkan (~010.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 7.11 The Cataclysm of Iron (012-015.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 8 Final Phase (010-014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 8.1 The Solar War (010-014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 8.2 The Dissolution of Imperium Secundus (011.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 8.3 The Battle of Trisolian and the Wolf Cull (012.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 8.4 Battle of Beta-Garmon (012-013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 8.5 The Lion's Purge (012-013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 8.6 The Muster on Ullanor and Lorgar's coup (013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 8.7 The Fall of the Death Guard (013-014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 8.8 The Siege of Terra (014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
- 9 Alleged sources containing relevant information
- 10 Old talk
- 11 Drop Site Massacre
Preliminary causes
In addition, the Emperor's disciplining of Lorgar and the Word Bearers was a contributing factor to the Heresy and the event which set it directly into motion. After Lorgar and the entire Legion were publicly humiliated, scolded, and forced to kneel in front of the Emperor for spreading their belief that the ruler of mankind was a divine being, the pious Word Bearers felt betrayed and desperately sought any power in the universe to worship. This eventually led Lorgar and his Legionaries to the Eye of Terror, where they pledged themselves to the forces of Chaos and began to conspire against the Emperor. Thus the Word Bearers had secretly become the first Chaos Space Marines. Secretly planning to make war on the Emperor, the Word Bearers quietly established Warrior Lodges with their Chaplains throughout the rest of the Astartes Legions. Though harmless at first glance, many of these lodges would become hotbeds of support for Horus' rebellion in the war to come.[3]MISSING SPECIFICATION
According to First Lord of the Imperium Malcador the Sigillite, the Heresy's causes may have been deliberately put into motion by both himself and the Emperor. According to Malcador, both deliberately agitated the Primarchs and turned them against one another, with the resulting war purging certain unmanageable Primarchs and their respective Space Marine Legions just as they had the earlier Thunder Warriors. This would lead humanity, not bio-engineered superhumans, as the rulers of the galaxy. However, the Ruinous Powers intervened before their plan could be fully formulated, leading to disaster in the Horus Heresy. This account may be either a partial or total lie, as Malcador himself seems to keep its validity ambiguous.[15]MISSING SPECIFICATION
Horus's Corruption
However, the Horus Heresy truly began after Warmaster Horus was wounded by the possessed Eugen Temba wielding the stolen Anathame on the moon of Davin, a place that was cursed by the foul Chaos God Nurgle. The wound caused by the blade refused to heal, despite Horus's super-enhanced immune system or the efforts of the Sons of Horus's best apothecaries. The Mournival took Horus to the Davinite Serpent Lodge, which they were told could heal him. Erebus and the Word Bearers had orchestrated the battle on Davin, unknown to all involved.
During the rituals, Horus's spirit was transferred into the Warp where Erebus, disguised as the Warmaster's closest friend Hastur Sejanus, showed him a terrible vision of the very future which his actions would bring about - the Imperium as a repressive, violent, and superstitious regime where the Emperor and some of the Primarchs (but not Horus) were worshiped as divine beings by the fanatical and ignorant masses of humanity. The Chaos Gods portrayed themselves as the victims of the Emperor's psychic might who had no interest themselves in controlling the material world. Horus, already having grown jealous and deeply resentful of his perceived poor treatment at the hands of his father, the Emperor, and was one of many afraid of the concept of a peace where all for which that they had fought was given to weak willed men whilst his legions were cast aside and left as peacekeepers. Horus therefore proved all too willing to accept the Ruinous Powers' false visions of an Emperor determined to make himself a god at Horus's expense.
Burning of Prospero (004.M31)
Magnus's brute force assault on the wards allowed the Warp and its myriad inhabitants to invade Terra. In the City of Sight, the tremendous rush of raw psychic energy obliterated the Choir Primus and shattered nearly every whisperstone. Millions died as their minds were burned out or daemons tore them apart. Warp storms consumed entire settlements. Shockwaves flattened structures around the world[5].MISSING SPECIFICATION Having already outlawed the Primarch's use of sorcery and refusing to believe that Horus, his most beloved and trusted son, would betray him, the Emperor instead perceived the traitor to be Magnus and his Legion. The Emperor ordered the Primarch Leman Russ to mobilise his Space Wolves Legion and take Magnus into custody; Horus, however, persuaded Russ that Magnus was a threat and should not return to Terra alive. The Wolves of Fenris descended upon Prospero, destroying all in their path. Magnus, betrayed, defeated and forsaken by his beloved father, retreated into the Warp and pledged himself to Tzeentch. The Thousand Sons had never planned to join Horus, but the trap that the Changer of Ways had laid for the Red Sorcerer's legion led them to the Warmaster's side regardless. Meanwhile the catastrophe on Terra forced the Emperor to deal with a new crisis that consumed most of his attention. He led the Custodes and Sisters of Silence to deal with this, while he left management of the rebellion to Malcador and Rogal Dorn.[6]MISSING SPECIFICATION
Battle of Isstvan III (005-006.M31)[39]
The Formation of Imperium Secundus (009-011.M31)
Despite the traitor defeat on Calth, Erebus was successful in creating the Ruinstorm which threw the Astronomican into disarray and rendered navigation and communication difficult. The Blood Angels and Dark Angels under their respective Primarch's sought Terra, but were unable to navigate the Ruinstorm and instead locked onto the Pharos beacon, ending up in the Realm of Ultramar instead. As a result, Roboute Guilliman feared the Imperium lost and created a second empire, Imperium Secundus, as a contingency with Sanguinius as its Imperator Regis and Lion El'Jonson as its Lord Protector.[6]MISSING SPECIFICATION Early tests for Imperium Secundus came from both the Battle of Sotha and the unleashing of Konrad Curze on Macragge.
The Path of Heaven
After the discovery of the Dark Glass and the subsequent Battle of Catallus, the White Scars managed to return to Terra to defend the capital world with their force[4]MISSING SPECIFICATION.
Final Phase (010-014.M31)
The Solar War (010-014.M31)
After years of bitter fighting, Horus and his forces finally arrived at Terra, capital of humanity. For several years previous, traitors had been wresting control of the Sol System from the Imperial Fists in the Solar War. During these battles, the Alpha Legion struck at Pluto and Alpharius himself was seemingly killed by Rogal Dorn.[13]MISSING SPECIFICATION
The Dissolution of Imperium Secundus (011.M31)
The Imperium Secundus was constantly undermined thanks to the political clashes between Guilliman and Lion El'Jonson, with Sanguinius proving unable to negotiate settlements between the two.[19] Due to the visions of both Sanguinius and Konrad Curze of the Emperor, it became apparent that he still lived and Terra still endured. This, along with the many disagreements between its ruling triumvirate, resulted in the dissolution of Imperium Secundus. Sanguinius, Roboute Guilliman, and Lion El'Jonson attempted to breach the Ruinstorm to reach Terra, but in the end only Sanguinius and the Blood Angels were successful.[14]MISSING SPECIFICATION
The Battle of Trisolian and the Wolf Cull (012.M31)
Shortly after the arrival of Sanguinius on Terra, Leman Russ left with the intent on confronting Horus himself. Thanks to runes planted by infiltrating Knights-Errant during the Battle of Molech the Space Wolves were able to track the location of the Vengeful Spirit, and Russ and Horus engaged one another in a duel as battle raged around them. Russ was badly wounded, but in turn wounded Horus with the Spear of Russ, cleansing much of the corruption that had befallen the Warmaster since Molech. However the battle cost the Space Wolves dearly, and they fled to Yarant with Russ in a comatose state.[16] The Wolves narrowly avoided destruction at the hands of Sons of Horus First Captain Ezekyle Abaddon thanks to Corax and the Raven Guard.[16]MISSING SPECIFICATION
The Muster on Ullanor and Lorgar's coup (013.M31)=
After the titanic Battle of Beta-Garmon, Horus' fleet was within range of the Sol System and mustered their forces on Ullanor. Horus during this time was still suffering wounds inflicted by Russ at the Battle of Trisolian, and the traitor war effort would have fallen apart had it not been for Maloghurst who gave his life to restore the Warmaster. During the muster of the Traitor Primarch's at Ullanor, Lorgar revealed that he saw Horus as weak and doomed to fail and attempted to usurp him. However Horus defeated the coup, and exiled Lorgar from his sight. Alpharius apparently quit the traitor war effort after giving the Warmaster a detailed map of the Sol System defenses, but Horus still mustered Angron, Magnus, Perturabo, and Fulgrim to his side on Ullanor as well as forces from the Night Lords and Word Bearers.[17b]MISSING SPECIFICATION
Battle of Beta-Garmon (012-013.M31)
Horus' armies had by now finally arrived at the gates of the Sol System, and sought to move onto the Imperium Throneworld. However to do this, they would first have to capture the strategically vital Beta-Garmon Cluster. The resultant Battle of Beta-Garmon was one of the largest of the Heresy, seeing massive casualties on both sides. Particularly hard hit were the Titan Legion's, which led to the battle being referred to as the Titandeath. However in the end Horus' forces prevailed, despite the Warmaster himself falling to wounds inflicted at Trisolian by Leman Russ.[17a]MISSING SPECIFICATION
The Siege of Terra (014.M31)
In 0000014.M31, the first day of Primus, Horus' armada at last arrived at the Sol System. During the final intense phase of the Solar War, the traitors captured the Solar System from loyalist forces despite the best efforts of Rogal Dorn to stall until the arrival of reinforcements from Roboute Guilliman and Lion El'Jonson.[25] Once within range of Terra, Horus and his forces destroyed Luna's naval bases and within thirty days had destroyed the Terran system's defences. Terra was bombarded and devastated. The corrupted Marines from the Sons of Horus, Death Guard, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Iron Warriors, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers, and Night Lords eventually landed on Terra, experiencing heavy resistance from the defenders which were led by the Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, and White Scars. Vast amounts of traitor Imperial Army, Dark Mechanicum, Chaos Cultists, and Daemonic forces joined the traitor Astartes in their assault on Terra. The loyalists were outnumbered and the battle for Terra turned into a siege of the Imperial Palace. By the fifty-fifth day the rebels had reached the walls of the Inner Palace but Sanguinius managed to hold the Eternity Gate despite a vicious assault led by the Bloodthirster Ka'Bandha. Eventually a stalemate set in with not even the siegecraft of Perturabo and the Iron Warriors being able to break the tide. Horus, who had remained in orbit aboard his battle barge, was at that point warned that the Ultramarines and Dark Angels were returning to Terra and would arrive shortly. If this were to happen, Horus's advantage in numbers would be eliminated and he faced the prospect of attacks to his rear. In a final gambit he deactivated the Void Shields protecting the Vengeful Spirit to lure the Emperor in a final battle that would decide the war.[2e] At the same time, Typhus led a Death Guard assault against the Astronomican, seeking to stop its reactivation by Corswain and his Dark Angels as well as Euphrati Keeler and Sigismund.
Aftermath
The Emperor's final command began the Great Scouring. Under the leadership of the remaining loyalist Primarch's the forces loyal to Horus were hounded into the Eye of Terror and locations such as the Isstvan System sterilized. All records and the remaining homeworlds of the traitor legions were destroyed. Inside the Eye, the remaining Traitor Primarch's, now nearly all Daemon Princes, became detached from the affairs of the Materium and let their children fend for themselves.[21] Without the Primarchs, the traitor legions themselves engaged in a bitter civil war until Ezekyle Abaddon, assuming the epithet "the Despoiler," would become closest the traitor legions would have to a unified leader and lead a number of Black Crusades into the Imperium in the millennia to come.[20]MISSING SPECIFICATION
Ultimately, the Horus Heresy was instrumental for the ten-thousand year decay that has since set into the Imperium. The Emperor's grand ambition, the Imperial Webway, was abandoned and Chaos continued to plague humanity. The hope and reason of the Imperial Truth was gradually replaced by the repression and superstition of the Imperial Cult which now worships the Emperor, still kept alive upon the Golden Throne through the daily sacrifice of a thousand Psykers, as a god.[24] Technologies from the Great Crusade era were lost over time, and eventually even the Heresy itself became the subject of myth to the citizens of the Imperium.
Signus Campaign (004-006.M31)
At the Signus Cluster Sanguinius and the Blood Angels narrowly avoided corruption at the hands of Daemonic forces under Kyriss the Perverse and Ka'Bandha.
Flight of the Eisenstein
The seventy Loyalists led by Captain Garro commandeered the Imperial frigate Eisenstein and evading the forces of Horus, were able to escape from the Isstvan system into the Immaterium. The Eisenstein was badly damaged during its escape from Isstvan III; all its astropaths were dead and its lone navigator was mortally wounded. However, Garro managed to attract the attention of passing loyalist ships by setting the vessel's warp engines to self-destruct and ejecting them from the ship. Rogal Dorn's Imperial Fists Legion had been becalmed in the Warp with its fleet for some time and his navigators sensed the detonation of the Eisenstein's Warp drives. Making an immediate course for the location of the ship's beacon, Dorn met with Garro, who explained to him all that had happened with the traitor legions.[28]MISSING SPECIFICATION
The remaining crew of the Eisenstein, now aboard Primarch Dorn's fortress-monastery Phalanx, was able to reach Terra (after Dorn's fleet destroyed the Eisenstein to ensure no Chaos taint remained), allowing the loyal marines to report the extent of the atrocities that had occurred in the Isstvan system. It was said in later millennia that without this warning, the Imperium would have faced even greater difficulties in responding to Horus's next moves although his warning may have enabled Horus to enact the drop site massacre.[28a]SOURCE NOT SPECIFIED
The fate of these seventy marines is ultimately unknown. Some believe they continued to fight for the Emperor until death claimed them, while others maintain that they were treated as if they were their traitorous brethren, either imprisoned and left to rot or executed. Others believe that Captain Garro, shocked by the terrible betrayal, became an apothecary, vowing never to kill again. Others believe some of these men formed the nucleus of the elite Space Marines Chapter later known as the Grey Knights, for Malcador the Sigillite had presented eight of the survivors to the Emperor before his departure. These men were gifted psykers, came from the ranks of the Legions that had turned traitor, and yet maintained both an unbreakable faith in the Emperor and talent for resisting the temptations of Chaos.
Schism of Mars (005-006.M31)
The damage of the scrapcode causes the devastation of the majority of the installations and disrupts the planet's communications. Within the confusion, the Dark Mechanicum begins the conquest of the planet. However, they discovered that some Forges remain relatively intact due to his more advance security system. The traitor forces begin the assault against the pockets of resistance with the immediate siege of one of these Forges, leaded by Ipluvien Maximal. Owerhelmed after resisting for some time, the Tech-Priest detonated the reactors of his own forge to deny the victory of the traitors. In a brief time all Mars became a bloody battlefield where the devastation of the battles costs a great damage of the industrial infrastructure and the repository of knowledge of the planet.[30] MISSING SPECIFICATION
Another of the main forges that resisted the scrapcode's attack was the Magma City, leaded by Koriel Zeth, a loyal member of the Mechanicum. Kelbor-Hal to justify his attack against the forge, declares Koriel an heretic for her denial of the Machine God cult. After resisting the first attacks, She was owerhelmed by the traitors and, such as Maximal, she decided to detonate her own forge to deny its use by the traitors.[30]MISSING SPECIFICATION
After this combats, the loyal forces were reinforced with four companies of the Imperial Fists Legion and imperial army auxiliar, leaded by Captains Sigismund and Camba-Diaz.[30b] However, due to the great numbers of the Dark Mechanicum forces, it was impossibile to turn the tide of the battle. After acknowledge the situation, Sigismund orders the loyal forces to take all munitions, armors and equipment possible with them before evacuate the remaining loyal forces from the planet.[30] MISSING SPECIFICATION
Drop Site Massacre (006.M31)
After ridding himself of all suspected loyalist members within the three Legions under his direct command, Horus chose Isstvan V as his command post and prepared a trap for his former brothers and their Legions.
Ferrus Manus engaged Fulgrim in personal combat, only to die at his hands while the Emperor's Children butchered the Iron Hands. The loyalists retreated towards the apparent safety of their brothers in the second wave, hoping to gain reinforcement; what happened next took them completely by surprise. The four Legions of the second wave - The Night Lords of Konrad Curze, the Iron Warriors of Perturabo, the Word Bearers of Lorgar, and the Alpha Legion of Alpharius — already seduced to the cause of Horus, opened fire on their unsuspecting brothers, slaughtering them wholesale. This orgy of carnage would later become widely known as the Istvaan V Drop Site Massacre. A phrase attributed to the Warmaster himself can easily summarise the entire battle: "When the traitor's hand strikes, it strikes with the strength of a Legion." After the battle, Fulgrim presented the head of Ferrus Manus to Horus as a trophy.
The Rebellion Spreads
Wars For Paramar (006-011.M31[39])
After the victory of the Drop Site Massacre, Horus orders his forces to capture the world of Paramar V for its strategic position. The world, laid on the northern edge of Segmentum Solar, was a staging area for Expeditionary Fleets during the Great Crusade and its conquest was a first step of the Warmaster’s campaign against Terra.
The forces of the Warmaster, consisted in elements of the Alpha Legion, Legio Fureans and Dark Mechanicum, launch an invasion of the planet. After an initial bloody combat, the traitors seized most of the planet with the conquest of the Landing Zone Secundus. However, the loyalists defenders, formed from the loyal 77th Grand Company of the Iron Warriors, Legio Gryphonicus and Mechanicum forces, make a stubborn defence on the primary spaceport and take heavy losses to Legio Fureans. The defence of the loyalist lasts until the second attack of the Alpha Legion, who turns the tide of the battle and conquers the last bastion of the loyalist, securing the planet for Horus.
The Siege of Cthonia (006-014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
Manachean War (006-008.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
Battle of PhallUNSOURCED DATE
Battle of the Alaxxes NebulaUNSOURCED DATE
First Siege of Hydra Cordatus (~007.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
Furious Abyss and Battle of Calth (007.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
During the developments at Prospero, Horus's rebellion would be further strengthened by Magnus the Red and his Legion, the Thousand Sons, now servants of Tzeentch. With nine Legions and much of the Adeptus Mechanicus behind him, Horus quickly struck towards Terra after gaining the powers of the Emperor after the Battle of Molech.
Meanwhile in Ultramar, the Word Bearers under Lorgar launched a devastating surprise attack against the Ultramarines as the gigantic Battleship Furious Abyss attempted to attack Macragge. While the Ultramarines took grievous losses at Calth, the Furious Abyss was destroyed and the Legion survived. Roboute Guilliman would now have to contend with the Shadow Crusade of the Word Bearers and World Eaters.[36]MISSING SPECIFICATION
Thramas Crusade (007-010.M31)[39]
To hold up The Lion, Horus dispatched the Night Lords to rampage throughout the Imperium to draw the attention of his Dark Angels in the Thramas Crusade.
Shadow Crusade and Crusade of Iron (007-009.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Khan's Decision (007.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
To occupy the bulk of remaining loyalist forces, Horus commanded the Alpha Legion to bog down the Space Wolves and to jam the communications of the White Scars, who were unaware of the Heresy, fighting in a long campaign against the orks of the Chondax System. For this purpose the Alpha Legion uses a strange pylon, located on the Tenebrae 9-50 Installation in the Octiss System, to manipulate the Warp and the communications of the Vth Legion. However, the plan failed when Omegon dispatched a small team, leaded by Sheed Ranko, to neutralise the device. This action let the White Scars to recover their communications with the rest of the Imperium and discover the news of the Heresy.
Capture of the Perfect Fortress (008.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
Mezoan Campaign (008.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Siege of Baal (008-013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Battle of Vanaheim (008-009.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Breaking of Anvillus (009.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
Battle of Molech (009.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
Following the Battle of Dwell and a failed assassination attempt on Horus by Shadrak Meduson, the traitor Warmaster regained memories sealed by the Emperor regarding the world of Molech. Horus speculated that great power lay on Molech, and wished to claim it in order to usurp his father. In the subsequent battle, Horus gained access to a Warp gate and gained radical new psychic abilities.[35]MISSING SPECIFICATION
The Formation of Imperium Secundus (009-011.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Siege of Inwit (009-013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Battle of Tallarn (010-012.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
Perturabo invaded the world of Tallarn, beginning one of the largest armored conflicts in galactic history.
Nocturne and the Journey of Vulkan (~010.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Cataclysm of Iron (012-015.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
Final Phase (010-014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Solar War (010-014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
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The Dissolution of Imperium Secundus (011.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
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The Battle of Trisolian and the Wolf Cull (012.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
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Battle of Beta-Garmon (012-013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
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The Lion's Purge (012-013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Muster on Ullanor and Lorgar's coup (013.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
The Fall of the Death Guard (013-014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
Meanwhile, Mortarion and the Death Guard were fully corrupted inside the Warp by Nurgle thanks to sabotage by First Captain Calas Typhon. When the re-emerged from the Warp in the Sol System, they had become a horrifying army of Plague Marines.[2]MISSING SPECIFICATION
The Siege of Terra (014.M31)UNSOURCED DATE
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Alleged sources containing relevant information
- Horus Heresy (Artbook Series), pg. 101
Old talk
I know there is already a citation being called for but this "Mortarion, already a close friend of his brother's, was too easily persuaded, having been turned long before the Heresy through the efforts of his first captain Calas Typhon." The IA, I believe, states that Mortarion and his legion minus Typhus turned after they became stranded in the warp. And that was after the Istvann massacre IIRC
In the Dropsite Massacre section; The whole battle can be RESUMED from Horus phrase.
I admit that 'sumarise' is a dictionary definition of 'Resume', but only after having to go away and look it up in a dictionary. I found this word confusing in this context, and would have it replaced with 'sumarised' or 'summed up'. --RCgothic 09:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Would it be feasible to state which Traitor Legions, if not all, took part in the final Siege of Terra? From the way it seems at the end of A Thousand Sons they 10KS never took part in the battle, however other fluff seems to show that all the Traitors were present? Could anyone find a quotable source to verify this? --DrMarius 21:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I remember reading somewhere that the emperor did not wish to truly fight Horus until he found the body of Sanguinius and he witnessed Horus slay one of the Custodes. [Though I also have heard in the original telling it was not a Custode but a Guardsman captain though for the life of me I can not think of his name] and it was actually seeing Horus commit that act which the Emperor realized that his son was lost. Are ether of these account correct? if so do they bare mentioning in the entry? --Dragonsamurai7 11:13, 29 October 2010
- They can only be entered with correct official sourcing. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 15:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Drop Site Massacre
In editing the 'Drop Site Massacre' section a question has arisen. From the description, the SM forces dispatched by the Emperor totaled 7, 3 loyalist (Iron Hands, Salamanders, Raven Guard), and 4 traitor (Word Bearers, Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion).
Why then are there '5' legions escaping Istvaan V? --Anoctris 08:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe a typo or error. Grab a footnote and burn that heretic sentence ;-) --DetlefK 16:43, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I just saw that this whole section is unsourced and differs in several key points from the description in the novel Fulgrim. --DetlefK 16:47, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I have no idea where it's been sourced, before I edited it reminded me of sections form the Visions of background books (I only have 2 of 3). I've only just finished reading Horus Rising so I have no idea if the infos correct.--Anoctris 05:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)